when you are young, being eccentric, volatile, angular, having blue hair is cool. american society applauds you.
when you are old, being eccentric, volatile and angular (and having blue hair) just makes you an absurd and pitiful character. it's not like you're in a becoming state anymore. that's it. you are a funny-looking absurd character and you are going to stay that way until you die.
when you are old, being eccentric, volatile and angular (and having blue hair) just makes you an absurd and pitiful character. it's not like you're in a becoming state anymore. that's it. you are a funny-looking absurd character and you are going to stay that way until you die.
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Sat, December 2, 2006 - 11:22 AMthat's when all that practice being rebellious & eccentric actually pays off & you no longer care about other peoples' small minds & have freed yourself from the restrictive constraints of a repressive & boring mainstream culture ~ die happy
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Sat, December 2, 2006 - 3:02 PMtrue. my hope is just to be an odd-looking but brilliant george eliot (the woman writer under that pseudonym) and live a powerful writerly life.
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Sat, December 2, 2006 - 2:42 PMAmerican society is about moving on. Maybe that is not always what life is all about? For every fad, fashion, manner of speaking, etc there is somewhere someone that that human-cultural-social expression really, really resonates with and, for whatever reason, they don't want it to stop resonating with them on a daily basis. As a society, we really do regiment ourselves into generational classes because, well, our culture moves so fast that many of us feel like society is passing us by by the time we're an adult. And in some way, in this past century, that has really, really been true. Our brains form patterns until we're young teens and then, for want of a better term, they get confused by all the sexual urges that seem to constantly impinge either on us or through our presence past that point...we are therefore distracted by all that and don't really have as much time as many of us would like to change other aspects of ourselves that were formed way back when...to match up with the expectations that society wants to place on us. So, some of us do and some of us don't but we, all of us, wonder sometimes if we are okay, if we fit in, if we are making our statements and having them understood...or are just being sniggered at behind our backs.
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Sun, December 3, 2006 - 7:05 AM<---- prefers the term *quirky*
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Sat, December 16, 2006 - 12:11 AMAmy said....
"when you are old, being eccentric, volatile and angular (and having blue hair) just makes you an absurd and pitiful character. it's not like you're in a becoming state anymore. that's it. you are a funny-looking absurd character and you are going to stay that way until you die. "
I would only add that when you are even older , being eccentric, volatile , angular (and having blue hair) you eventually become a Senior citizen , you pull your pants up way up past what should be your waist, wear white loafters and move to Florida, where you spend your days complaining about the weather and about how your children never call. And that is what you do until the day you die. (sorry I couldn't resist) -
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Sun, January 7, 2007 - 6:20 PMno one i know does that! not every senior citizen goes to FLA, thank God.
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Fri, January 12, 2007 - 11:34 AMI think you are probably young. Doing any of the things you mentioned when "old" (whatever that means) does not make one pitiful or absurd. You'll know when you get there. -
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Sat, January 13, 2007 - 8:52 PMit's not what i think, it's what american society thinks. it's the way you're treated.
my point was that things that come off as fun, cool, lighthearded when a young person does them lose that sheen when an older person does them.
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Sun, January 14, 2007 - 1:40 PMI would be suspicious of taking a compliment that the same person used as an insult for someone else
love all-ways,
mem
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Sun, March 11, 2007 - 7:07 PMalso, think about the Ramones. they kept dressing the same way, wearing the same torn jeans and leather jackets into old age, until one of 'em kicked the bucket (can't remember which one - joey ramone?)
maybe they dressed differently in their private lives, we'll never know.
in some ways, let's face it: the core of who we are emerges when we're young. it's hard to improve upon that.
look, i wish our spiritual bodies were the thing which mattered most. i wish we could honor and elevate that part, just be able to SEE it amidst this raging decadent consumerist/throw-away/capistalist american society. i wish i lived in england where , long-haired women go gray as they age. and working class people are proud and never think about botox. -
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 12:41 AMBe a trend setter...
somebody has to be on the cutting edge of things.
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 1:19 AMDavid Bowie is 60. He changes the style of clothing he wears as well as his music.
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 10:24 AMthird eye blind ~ the physical act of seeing something isn't it's best manifestation (in most cases).......
we had a saying at the science museum that I worked at, "Seeing is just your brain's best guess".......
remember, things aren't always as they seem!
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Mon, March 12, 2007 - 8:58 PMgood one - the saying. i like that.
you know, i'm filled with contradictions like most humans. so, i'm just exploring this in a tragicomic playful way.
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 8:40 AMThis subject is rather close to my reality at this time in my life. I turned 50 a couple of months ago. I married my 28 year old wife a couple of weeks ago. I find myself torn between being true to my age at the same time I want to be true to how I feel, which is much more in line with my wife's age. I am painfully aware when we are around people close to her age because I don’t want anyone to get the impression I am trying to “fit in.” I also don’t want to come off as trying to be everyone’s Dad. It is quite the tightrope walk I assure you.
I guess I need a definition of just what "OLD" is. I will readily admit that 20 years ago I would have considered a 50 year old an old man. In fact I still consider many of my peers to be “old.” I just don’t consider myself to be in the same mental construct as many of them. Some are actually atrophying before my eyes. Many others are buying motorcycles and acting like some sort of pseudo outlaw biker gang members in a horrifyingly embarrassing attempt to hold onto their lost youth. (There is nothing uglier than watching a bunch of old people walk around in biker attire as they re-enact the same parties they lived through in high school and think that means they are still young.) Don’t get me wrong, I am all for a good party but for god’s sake let’s at least listen to some current music and shelve the Zeppelin and Lynard Skynner for a while. I fear being attacked at the suggestion we listen to Panic at the Disco or The Chevelles or Fallout Boy. (Don’t even consider mentioning RAP, that music from the depths of hell!!!!)
So here is the big rub. How do you age with grace and dignity at the same time you remain true to yourself. The answer for me has been to simply get over it and quit taking myself so seriously. The only “rules” are the ones that the individual decides to accept. Well I don’t accept that I have to grow old gracefully. I choose instead to just live and be whatever it is I feel like being at the moment.
Amy said,
“when you are old, being eccentric, volatile and angular (and having blue hair) just makes you an absurd and pitiful character. it's not like you're in a becoming state anymore. that's it.”
I have to say that if others choose to think of me as absurd and pitiful without first getting to know me then those are not the kind of people I choose to associate with anyway. They are already rigid in their thinking and therefore “OLD” in my book. I also have to state that from the moment we are born till the moment we die we are in a “becoming state.” We remain in that state as long as we are active and involved in life? I know 90 year olds who still read and watch and listen. They learn new things every day and are still actively “becoming.” I also know people in their 20’s who haven’t read a book in years and find fault with anyone whom they perceive as different from themselves. They have gone stagnant and quit “becoming.”
Age is just like everything else in life, perception is reality. If I had any hair I would die it blue and my heart would break for those who would laugh at me. It would break because they allowed their minds to become/remain so small that they missed out on the opportunity to know another human being. One who just might have something useful to offer simply because they have spent a few more years muddling through this thing we call life. A thing that doesn’t give a fig about who we are or how old we may be. -
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Sat, March 10, 2007 - 10:37 AM<---- has no clue how *old* he is
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Wed, May 2, 2007 - 7:44 PM"When you are content to be simply yourself
and don't compare or compete, everybody will respect you."
-tao te ching, lao tzu
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Sun, April 22, 2007 - 6:27 AMYes it's true. We are challenged to continue stating ourselves and beliefs, even as we age. When we were younger it was easier. Being attractive confuses a lot of people and gives us more time and mental room to get the story straight. -
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Wed, May 2, 2007 - 7:38 PMgood insight. this discussion seems to continue so it must be hitting a nerve with people.
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Wed, May 2, 2007 - 7:47 PMyou've hit the nail on the head. as we get old, we get less attractive (usually) and our bodies have trouble moving. our faces look kind of like rigid masks that we have to wear, regardless of what we're feeling inside. yes, we could be growing (or "becoming") internally, but on the outside, we're going down. it's a strange place to be. -
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Wed, May 2, 2007 - 8:01 PMI prefer to think of it as continual ripening into fermentation. -
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Wed, May 9, 2007 - 7:21 PMthat's right, we becoming alcoholic! fermented humans, permanently drunk in our ripeness and able to get others drunk by our very presence!
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Thu, May 3, 2007 - 11:20 AMheres one for you, somewhere, I heard it said that we all wear the face we deserve by the time we're 40. -
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Fri, May 4, 2007 - 9:25 AMHoenstly, I had avoided this thread for the past however many weeks, because I thought it didn't apply to me. (I'm 32).
But that was just ego! I read through everything and found everyone's thoughts very insightful.
I don't really have much to add, except this-For me, the passing of time, markers and birthdays allow me the chance to celebrate that I was ever born, not the comparison factor to the past. Those musings do happen all year, but they are not particular to my birthday.
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Wed, May 9, 2007 - 7:23 PMthe face we deserve? i'm 40 now.
that makes me think of that talking heads song about various people whose faces became eccentric by the thought process of the person. do you know the one? so-and-so's eyebrows joined together, etc. etc. it's a great, memorable song.
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